Guys unite against st.johns and CMC vellore .. they have published their application... if we allow them every private college will do like this and our chances will be low
how come they do that despite supreme court orders?
did they mention their own xm or do they value neet scores
can u post link
They are using neet scores. only that they are going to conduct an interview to give extra merit to their students who have served for 2 years or more in the rural villages. The process has been brought under the scrutiny of Supreme Court more than once in the past and these colleges have survived all the cases every single time and the apex court has always made positive remarks about their students who work in the periphery.
Bad luck is no medical college is supporting only Hindus. What a tolerance
There are reservations in place for a myriad of castes and subcastes in this country. All the medical colleges give away seats for this cause and in total 1000s of eligible candidates are deprived seats because they belong to the so called General Class. At least for PG level this discrimination should be stopped.
Whereas people who worked for more than two years in a rural village (post MBBS) irrespective of their cast/religion should be given preference for higher studies. Institutes like CMC and Johns give the highest preference to students who complete their rural service, something which most Indian junior doctors shy away from.
This is precisely why all such cases against these institutions have failed in the past. Because their reservation in not merely based on religion/caste. It takes the 2 years rural service into account. In CMC, even if you are a CMC graduate and a christian too, if you have not fulfilled your rural obligation there is no point in even applying for PG
But having said that, most of the doctors from these institutions are Christians as for MBBS both these institutes give reservations for christian students. So even the final PG list will feature more christian names. Due consideration is also given to non christain, non alumnus students who work in rural hospitals recognized by these institutes or who work for 1-2 years in CMC/St. Johns itself.
Do you have any idea about other institutes? Say 'Deemed' institutes like DY Patil and Manipal. While they won't conduct a separate exam, will they bring up new criterion like 'practical exams' and 'interviews' for admission?
No idea mostly about these 'deemed' institutes including Amrita, manipal etc. Mostly they are going to take from the neet result and probably conduct a 'counseling' session is what I have heard so far.
Really wondering how will private colleges including those in COMEDK go about this year !!
They ll conduct counselling based on neet exam...Won't be interview like CMC r St John's.
CMC n St John's S fake.....I know the rural services rendered by only by Christians in their concerned center's....My quest is r they giving non Christian who's doing his service at govt phcs in remote place even where there is no bus.....They won't....It's all fake n purely religious....I think people can understand....
cmc vellore and st john's bangalore have come out with their applications..and these applications mention the criteria of needing to qualify in STEP 2 which will supposedly test our objective skills and assessment in addition to the neet pg scores.guys if i am not mistaken,isnt this illegal?isnt this a violation of the supreme court verdict?if it is indeed so,then where to lodge a complaint against this? if we dont act now,other institutions could also take a cue from this..this might jeopardise our chances..cmc ludhiana had tried this tactic in neet ug but under pressure from the students they were forced to make a u turn..friends lets unite and take this menace head on...lets approach appropriate forums and keep fighting till we get justice
they didint have the right to publish the application once honarable supreme court told tat their will be 'one nation one exam policy' if they give their notification then all other private college will follow them.they can give admission to the christian as per rules.all other states exam will follow their notification.
If they are fake institutes then why are you all so bothered to get admissions in these institutions. Its a fact that the most of the graduates serve for 2 years in rural area... and in places where government services havent penetrated yet. They give seats to both christians and non christians who have done rural service in areas they have recognized and categorized as rural. Further if you are really keen to study in these institutes and you did your UG elsewhere you can opt to work in these institutes or the rural areas these institutes send you to and get some additional weight-age. There are very few doctors who work with real backward community of our country. These institutes are trying to give them some support and thats exactly why they are winning every single case filed against them. Period.
Atleast they dont sell any PG seats or make under the table deals after accepting money from candidates, neither they do give away seats to every christian who apply.
Heading is totally unacceptable, sponsored only for who worked 2 year Christan institue in rural area. Anyone can work in those areas and get sponser k
have you seen the recognised insitution list where they consider the services.They are all christian institutes christian community.They are openly telling christians only.If you do rural service in areas wherevthay dont recognuse you wont be eligible.Its just for name sake .
We are not talking against religious/non-religious reservations... in that matter not even against rural service..!!
The main crux of the discussion is ..how far is it fair/legal to conduct an interview to assess one's skills when the Highest court of the country has already said the merit list must be prepared from the Neet...yes we understand that there're certain provisions for deemed minorities ...they can add marks based on rural service/religious preference n prepare their own list...
But conducting an exam/interview for that is unfair...that is what we are trying to highlight..!! then what is Neet meant for!?? please correct me if i am wrong ...no offense meant against anyone...
But can anyone guarantee that there won't be any 'under the table deal' behind such interviews? As those interviews are confidential!
How can we guarantee if there's just on paper fake 2 year rural service, arranged by candidate.
Being Indian we know such things are not unusual, how good it will be to make system more complicated!
I am a graduate of cmc ludhiana and i am a non christian GENERAL candidate. and trust me it is damn easy for christian candidates to secure admission in these places for mbbs compared to other candidates and pretty much a walk in the park for securing PG admission through that quota. CMC Ludhiana provides upto ten seats for punjab christians each year. It makes the equation very very lopsided.
Extra marks awarded on basis of interviews in cmc ludhiana and vellore are highly controversial and influenced largely by church politics.
Half of my classmates converted from hinduism/sikhism to Christianity with a strong desire for availing christian quota.
Despite the good quality of education rendered by these institutes the admission process should be seriously revamped and made more eh? secular?
In no way should court allow anyone to supplement the NEET scores provided which should be absolute in themselves.
Religion/caste based reservations are mired with controversies and highly undesirable.
it costs only 10000 rs to file writ petition in HC.
pls file in respective state HC n share info here so that we can compile and put it in media..
state the grounds for maintenance of WP as violation of PG medical education act 2000 , amendment 2015 .
Having been to St John inteview, I can tell that the entire charade feels like playing a fixed match. In interview, they barely look at your application, and usually ask some extremely easy questions on the subjects you are applying to. Practicles, at least for surgical subject are either moronic spotters or viva questions like "define orthopedics". Both the faculty and students know that its just a formality, selection has already been decided. It makes no difference whether you do well in practicals or not.
Now the question is, suppose you guys did force such an institute to give you admission, won't they make an example out of you?
My friend who is preparing for upsc told me that there is a provision in our constitution to allow 'religious' institutes to conduct admissions based on religion. This is supposedly to 'promote' themselves as a community.
If this is true then is it even worthwhile going to the courts for this problem?
a waste now in spite of neet...these colleges hv a second stage whr all the back door or window entrants can easily get in...so neet also doesn't garuntee fair play n equal ground based on rank or merit